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I would really like sidepanel has autohide function but when hover with mouse pointer it shows again

    I forgot to mention I wish it could autohide and show not in full screen

      Merged 2 posts from Auto hide sidepanel .
        3 months later

        Make sidebar appear and disappear automatically

          Merged 3 posts from Make tab sidebar appear and dissappear auto.
            Merged 2 posts from Two finger swipe on toolbar shows/hides sidebar.
              Merged 6 posts from Auto hide tab bars.

                So the issues with a lot of these implementations of auto-showing tabs is that they auto expand on hover. Hover expansions are generally not advisable according to the HIG.

                I had a suggestion here that the sidebar, if in its super-minimised state (only showing the favicon), the sidebar could expand if the user scrolls.

                Copied from the discord:

                i think that the reason why its generally not advisable to have automatically expanding items is because a hover isn’t an intentional action, aka a decision that has been made by the user.
                What i’m thinking is that scrolling is a conscious and deliberate action. If the user scrolls on the vertical sidebar, they’re likely searching for a tab and expanding it when they do could be a good idea.
                then to minimise it again the user would move the cursor away, since minimizing it when the scroll ends probably isn’t the best idea, especially for mouse users when you can’t tell if they’ve paused scrolling or ended scrolling.

                  2 months later

                  Vlad just came here to add that this feature ("auto show/hide vertical tabs on mouse/pointer hover" -- exactly like the MacOS dock) is still very much desired by at least one devoted user/fan...

                  Vertical tab-centric UI -- for whatever reason -- is increasingly being perceived as a key identifying characteristic of the so-called "modern"/"paradigm-shifting"/"standards-reimagining"/etc it-browser (i.e. Arc, Beam, SigmaOS, Stackbrowser... strangely enough, some aspects of Edge).

                  Slick vertical tabs signal to browser refugees that their latest download has the potential to be their new, 2023-approved daily driver. But many browser refugees -- especially those confined to 13-15 inch screens like myself -- simply can't tolerate the loss in content real estate of static vert tabs, or the hassle of clicking a button/pressing a key to get that real estate back (or, conversely, to get our slick vert tabs back).

                  Vert tabs that auto-show/hide on mouse/pointer hover ensure that a user is able to experience what the great philospher Miley Cyrus once called "the best of both worlds".

                  I love Orion because it tastefully blends the new/progressive with the time-tested/carefully considered (ex: "extensions? go crazy! Chrome AND FF -- knock yourself out, kid!" + "Safari devs were right that excessive customization/theming is deleterious to the ultimate goal of content taking precedence over the vehicle for experiencing it"). And I think this feature would align perfectly with that most noble vision.

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                      quilinski Thanks for input. Cna you describe the ask end to end, including how is this activated, what the default is, in what circumstances it works etc. Also can you find a precedent for such behavior in any native macOS app?

                          10 days later

                          Vlad

                          Hey Vlad,

                          Also coming to this thread since it's a feature I use from Arc quite a bit and am looking for something similar to run. I think what we're all asking for is what is currently exclusive to fullscreen mode, where it works bringing in the sidebar when your mouse touches the left side of your screen, similar to how macOS dock works when having hiding auto-hide enabled.

                          Example browsers doing this well: Arc, SigmaOS.
                          So the TLDR is; give us how it works in fullscreen while being non-fullscreen.

                              2 months later

                              Vlad

                              1. If by "native" you mean apps like Safari and Calendar, then no– I don't think there are any native macOS apps that do this
                              2. In Firefox, it is possible to do this.
                                (In Firefox, the default sidebar does not auto-hide.)
                                • If the user wants an auto-hiding sidebar, they need to create a file called "userChrome.css" and add it to their ~/Library/Application Support/Firefox/Profiles/[user]/chrome folder.
                                • Afterwards if a user wants to undo their modifications, they need to go back to that folder and make changes to the userChrome.css file (or delete the file entirely)
                              Here is a gif of what that auto-hiding sidebar looks like in Firefox

                              I don't know if this will be helpful– but here are examples of what people wrote in their userChrome.css files to auto-hide the sidebar. (I copied from these people.)

                              (I hope this is helpful and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear anywhere.)

                              • Vlad replied to this.

                                  empyreumata Yes all clear. And yes we are trying to build an app that behaves in a native way and autohiding sidebar is obviously something Apples does not wants apps to do normally (except maybe in fullscreen). But we can always make an exception with enough community demand.

                                      4 days later

                                      Vlad The taskbar on macos has auto hiding as a built in option, same for the top bar.

                                      I do not know if MacOS has different guidelines but it does seem to be part of the apple ecosystem to an extent.

                                          25 days later

                                          Vlad

                                          I mean, you have to take context in mind here. You're not looking at the tab bar 99% of the time you are using the browser, so why take up 1/5 of the screen real estate with it always fully open and visible?

                                          In Floorp I have my sidebar setup like this with a bit of usercss and it (IMO) looks very nice and tidy while still giving you the needed info about what tabs are open.

                                          This is how I have it setup:
                                          https://gist.github.com/Nitrousoxide/493f0e66d9387e9def5e06d509a891e8

                                            6 months later

                                            Wanted to add my vote for this feauture. I use the crap out of this in Arc and SigmaOS and it's really nice to have a focused display with less browser chrome. The amount of space vertical tabs take up when the sidebar is open is one of the primary reasons I want to hide it – the primary use case in the browser is viewing/working with the current page/window, not switching tabs.

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                                              Merged 28 posts from Auto-hide tab sidebar in narrow windows.
                                                Vlad changed the title to Sidebar open/close on hover .