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Vlad

Hey Vlad,

Also coming to this thread since it's a feature I use from Arc quite a bit and am looking for something similar to run. I think what we're all asking for is what is currently exclusive to fullscreen mode, where it works bringing in the sidebar when your mouse touches the left side of your screen, similar to how macOS dock works when having hiding auto-hide enabled.

Example browsers doing this well: Arc, SigmaOS.
So the TLDR is; give us how it works in fullscreen while being non-fullscreen.

      2 months later

      Vlad

      1. If by "native" you mean apps like Safari and Calendar, then no– I don't think there are any native macOS apps that do this
      2. In Firefox, it is possible to do this.
        (In Firefox, the default sidebar does not auto-hide.)
        • If the user wants an auto-hiding sidebar, they need to create a file called "userChrome.css" and add it to their ~/Library/Application Support/Firefox/Profiles/[user]/chrome folder.
        • Afterwards if a user wants to undo their modifications, they need to go back to that folder and make changes to the userChrome.css file (or delete the file entirely)
      Here is a gif of what that auto-hiding sidebar looks like in Firefox

      I don't know if this will be helpful– but here are examples of what people wrote in their userChrome.css files to auto-hide the sidebar. (I copied from these people.)

      (I hope this is helpful and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear anywhere.)

      • Vlad replied to this.

          empyreumata Yes all clear. And yes we are trying to build an app that behaves in a native way and autohiding sidebar is obviously something Apples does not wants apps to do normally (except maybe in fullscreen). But we can always make an exception with enough community demand.

              4 days later

              Vlad The taskbar on macos has auto hiding as a built in option, same for the top bar.

              I do not know if MacOS has different guidelines but it does seem to be part of the apple ecosystem to an extent.

                  25 days later

                  Vlad

                  I mean, you have to take context in mind here. You're not looking at the tab bar 99% of the time you are using the browser, so why take up 1/5 of the screen real estate with it always fully open and visible?

                  In Floorp I have my sidebar setup like this with a bit of usercss and it (IMO) looks very nice and tidy while still giving you the needed info about what tabs are open.

                  This is how I have it setup:
                  https://gist.github.com/Nitrousoxide/493f0e66d9387e9def5e06d509a891e8

                    7 months later

                    Wanted to add my vote for this feauture. I use the crap out of this in Arc and SigmaOS and it's really nice to have a focused display with less browser chrome. The amount of space vertical tabs take up when the sidebar is open is one of the primary reasons I want to hide it – the primary use case in the browser is viewing/working with the current page/window, not switching tabs.

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                        Vlad changed the title to Sidebar open/close on hover .
                          23 days later

                          I'm still hoping for this as well! Sigma OS and Arc both have good implementations to reference.

                            I would like to propose a new feature for vertical tabs where it is possible for the sidebar with vertical tabs to auto-hide and re-appear once you hover your mouse cursor over the left-edge of browser.

                            This feature is available in Arc Browser and I really like it, as it gives you a really clean design and whole screen to browse websites. In 'Standard' and 'Compact' tabs modes, the UI is already cluttered and not to mention working with many tabs is nearly impossible to see what you really have opened.

                            EDIT: I just noticed that this very same Forums have the feature I am describing! Once I posted this suggestion, I noticed that the sidebar is appearing and hiding automatically, depending on my mouse cursor position. So basically, this same feature, but for Vertical Tabs window!

                            A user would have an option in Settings to toggle the 'Auto-Hide' sidebar for Vertical Tabs. When toggled ON, the sidebar with vertical tabs automatically dissappears once the user moves the mouse cursor out of left-edge of Orion Browser.

                            To bring the sidebar back into view, user would move the mouse cursor to the left-edge of Orion browser and the Vertical Tabs sidebar would hover-over the web-content on the left-side for the user to interact with. Arc Browser does this.

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                                I noticed @Vlad that you mention a lot that this is not according to Apple's guidelines. However, this should not mean that the feature request / UX is bad. It seems that community would appreciate such feature, meaning that it is a good UX. I learned about it in Arc Browser, which is why I really like it. Their vertical tab management is far more superior than any other browser out there (Favourites, Pinned / Folders, and auto-closing tabs the rest) with the addition of auto-closing sidebar.

                                Besides, those who do not like that, can always click the toggle button on sidebar to permanently PIN it there.

                                I agree with @Nitrousoxide wholeheartedly, Focus mode is not even close to what we want. We want to utilise the real estate of the browser to view the content, not the tabs, and then easier switching between tabs. In fullscreen mode, you still have to click the tab menu button to bring back the tabs. Why not just hovering over the edge instead?

                                • Vlad replied to this.

                                  DaveOrion We try to strike a careful balance. Apple HIG exists for a reason and many people enjoy Orion because it is a 100% native app that follows HIG (unlike, say, Arc). That is not to say that we are not ready to experiment but we would still like to ground these things in examples from Apple native apps. This is one of the things we are looking into as precedent does exist in full screen mode.

                                      19 days later

                                      It would be nice if the left sidebar could be open by simply moving the mouse cursor to the left edge of the browser. I am coming from Arc, so that is what I am used to, but it is the most natural feeling to just drift over, click another tab, click a pinned tab, whatever. Honestly, I would advocate for a wholesale copy of the entire left sidebar behaviour of Arc, but that's a lot to wrap up into one request. By far, the simplest improvement, and the one I feel is lacking the most, is just the ease of access. The keyboard shortcut is just a bit awkward, and clicking the sidebar icon work, but is fussy if you want to go back and forth often.

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                                          a month later

                                          This is simple (and I admit I am unabashedly drawing this from my experience with Arc). I simply want to open the sidebar by move the mouse cursor to the left side of the screen. The keyboard shortcut Ctrl-Cmd-S works, but it's awkward, and on some website s that trap keyboard actions it doesn't always work.

                                          I will say more generally...everything you choose to copy from Arc will make me like Orion more, but the mouse movement to open the sidebar would be the biggest thing.

                                            Merged 2 posts from Open sidebar with mouse.