Changes to Orion's Sidebar / Vertical tabs handling

eirk

btw, this is related to the post for ios: https://orionfeedback.org/d/5944-tab-group-switching-like-safari-in-ios-17/2
(i thought this was a dupe, then realized it was separated from that post)

Idea looks really cool btw, i think its a great idea

whitemamba

eirk That one was also me haha. Thanks though

WindWalker

Brief Summary
Quick access to the different categories in the side tab via swipe gesture.

Details:
Have the side bar open. Place cursor over side bar. Swipe left or right to switch between Windows Tabs and Bookmarks. This can behave the same way you change between Spaces in Arc browser.

The reason I'd like this feature because it's much easier than using the keyboard shortcuts or clicking and selecting from the dropdown list.

Vlad

WindWalker There is anotherr suggestion similar to this, can you find it so I can merge it?

WindWalker

Vlad I'm sorry I can't find it

Vlad

whitemamba Merging everything here as we try to build the future concept of Orion's sidebar. What we will try to do is have one solution that encompasses all suggestions.

janpeeters

What does your feature entail? What is it for? How will it affect existing workflows or user experience?
When I use Arc browser I find it superconvenient that I can swipe between different spaces. I know I can switch tyabgroups in Orion with shortcuts but swiping is often faster when I'm just browsing by clicking links (and not having both hands on the keyboard).

What are the exact ways that you see a user using your proposed feature? Please go into as much detail as possible, and provide examples of how other browsers/apps implement this feature, if applicable. If your feature suggestion adds on to an existing feature, how would it work into it to extend its usefulness?
Users can two finger swipe left/right (trackpad) or click drag (mouse) over sidebar to switch tab groups.
In the movie you see me open folders, but my request is for easy swiping to different tab groups.

Vlad

janpeeters This has been suggested, appreciate if you can find it so that I can merge it.

janpeeters

Vlad I did search but only found this closed thread:
https://orionfeedback.org/d/2783-random-thoughts-on-arc-orion-and-stuff
Whats mentioned in the thread is not even swipe but switching spaces with keyboard shortcuts. But I've went through a lot of pages to see if I suggested something existing. Maybe someone else recalls?

janpeeters

Thanks for merging @vlad.
Since we're talking about a new iteration of the sidebar here…

I like the Arc sidebar quite a lot. What I like:

The ability to swipe through Spaces (I would call it contexts but sounds less cool). I have e.g. one for private, one for work, one for my music and some others.
Possibility to have multiple pinned folders with bookmarks in one Space, this keeps things tidy.
Possibility to peak into folders when hovering over them to quickly visit a site without opening the folder. Saves a click.
A clear 'button' that closes all open tabs (that are not pinned).
Favorite pins that are visible in any Space (context)
Having the Spaces represented by an icon at the bottom of the sidebar, saves from visual overload at the top.

What I don't like too much:

There's a lot of space between elements, looks all nice and modern, but from an efficiency perspective I find it too much. Sometimes I have so many tabs open that the pinned folders take up too much space.
The favorites at the top are toooo big. I would prefer the Orion pinned tabs look for that.

In a way you could say that Orion's Windows are Arcs Spaces and Orions tab groups are Arcs folders in a Space.
All in all I have found the UX of Arcs sidebar very intuitive, integrated, fluent and easy to navigate. When I have to navigate a lot of different contexts on one day I often use Arc. This thread got me thinking about the Orion sidebar and I place it here for reference: https://orionfeedback.org/d/2783-random-thoughts-on-arc-orion-and-stuff

Fortrikka

Vertical tabs as well as 4-5 saved windows at the bottom. This works for very large displays such as the Studio display or pro display XDR. They have very large display sizes and it's mostly empty.

The user will be able to see their saved windows, the containing tabs for each in addition to being able to scroll through their boomarks without having to keep pressong command+control+2 for the animation to hide and show the vertical tabs and horizontal tabs while hiding the saved windows.

mazil

Fortrikka I also hoped that I could switch between different windows while keeping my bookmarks at the side.

Vlad

Fortrikka There is already a feature suggestion for this, can you find it so I can merge?

Fortrikka

Fortrikka Why does it show deleted for me

mazil

Vlad is it my post you were referring?
https://orionfeedback.org/d/6310-allow-me-to-change-to-other-windows-while-sidebar-is-opened-for-bookmarks

Vlad

Hey all we want to show our updated design thinking about this feature.

Note that there is also a popular request that wants address bar moved to the sidebar here

What that may look like is

Now, when we combine these two asks the result is this

and to quote our designer "it looks very overloaded and monstrous".

Your feedback about where should we take Orion's sidebar is welcome!

whitemamba

Vlad I actually love the look of the first concept in the second image
One thing that I could think of that could make things better though, would be moving the dot for profiles up next to the sidebar hide/show button. Then, it would be separated from the window selector. However, that could make it harder to shrink the sidebar at all.

The rest of the concepts with everything in them seem pretty terrible though. Having the windows, the reading list, or anything other than the tabs really just makes it way too much to look at and makes everything seem scattered and inconsistent.

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