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Local Translate in the Browser
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Hi guys, just want to bump this one up rather than create a new one. I'm still an MS Edge user because of the automatic translation (and not having nested tabs). After reading the comments here, and doing a bit of research, I'm pretty sure there's a way to make this happen in a way that won't be costing you (or us) too much, both in terms of money and privacy.
Auto-translation is a very important feature, especially as it opens up access to a huge amount of information that would otherwise require extra steps.
Having auto translation is an extremely important solution to provide, whether it's through the browser, in messages, in glasses, or a babelfish inserted into the ear. It removes the barriers in communication and enables humanity to communicate and understand each other much better
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John macOS has a translation API that we can use once it is publicly avaialbly. Until then all translation solutions would be external meaning data would need to be sent somewhere (like Edge is doing). We want to avoid this and recommend people use a translation extension instead if they are comfortable with their data being sent elsewhere.
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Automatic translation is a very important feature in this globally connected world, especially as it opens up access to a huge amount of information that would otherwise require quite a few extra steps, or to just ignore it because you can't read it.
Having auto translation is an extremely important feature, whether it's through the browser, in messages, in glasses, or a babelfish inserted into the ear. It further removes our barriers by enabling humanity to communicate and understand each other far better.
I'm still an MS Edge user because of the way they implement automatic translation (and not having nested tabs). After reading the comments here, and doing a bit of research, I'm quite sure there's a way to make this happen in a way that won't be costing you (or us) too much, in terms of both money and privacy.
And, again, thank you for a great browser with a 'lot' of potential. I really want this to be the best Mac browser
John changed the title to Automatic Translation of websites .
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1 post was split to Bergamont - in-browser translations.
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crnd99 Orion could do same as Edge which is send the content you are viewing to a third party, together with your IP address but we arereally trying not to do this for privacy reasons. This is why on-device translation would be great and macOS already has it (Safari uses it) and we are waiting for Apple to open it.
In the meantime, why not just create a bookmarklet that will translate the page for you in any language. You can drag and drop a bookmarklet from this page to your Orion bookmarks bar and have it available with one click.
Vlad I respect that. However, nothing prevents you to let the final user chose wether he/she wants to send personal information to a 3rd party.
If you really care about privacy, setting Apple Translation API as a default while proposing other services (e.g.: Bing Translate, Amazon Translate or Google Translate) may be a great idea. Ultimately, you let the advised user make his choice while offering a privacy-respecting solution to neophytes.
crnd99 Apple translation API is not avaialble yet. Orion prides in being a zero telemetry browser and last thing we want is accidentaly send uninformed users' private information to big-tech.
A tech savvy/advised user can already use a bookmarklet for translation with any external service (I currently personally use it). It is very simple to use. Is there any reason why you are against this idea? We could perhaps include some ready-made bookmarklets.
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Vlad
Yeah, I got that right.
I share your take on the zero-telemetry policy, that's exactly why I suggested that -when available- the Apple Translation API should be set by default as the browser's translation engine.
But why not implementing (alongside the Apple Translation API) others translation providers such as Google, Amazon or Bing? After all you've already done it for search engines. They just need to be clearly identified as "serverside powered engines".
I am not against the bookmarklet trick but it still remains a workaround rather than a handy and simple solution to translate a webpage. This has nothing to do with a one-click translation tool (such as Edge's one).
crnd99 In my mind server side translation would work same as the bookmarklet. Meaning loading the page in the external service like Google translate?
Did you have in mind perhaps in-page translate? That would mean contacting the API directly, and these APIs are not free. In this case we would need to pass the cost to the user somehow?
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I definitely second the need for native translate, but wanted to add the opinion/input of another user here.
As a consumer, I like the fact that Orion takes a hard stance on 0-telemetry. It's unfortunate, but we need products today that will protect the user from themselves. A "regular" user who installs Orion because they like the privacy features could inadvertently circumvent those same measures by making configuration changes without understanding the true implications. At that point, Orion has failed in its goal to make the internet safer for the user. If clicking a single bookmarklet to translate a page (which takes the user to an external page making it obvious you're sending information to Google) is too cumbersome for the user, maybe the user needs to explore a different browser with more relaxed controls and is out of beta.
Just my perspective. Orian can't make the hard claim for user privacy if it makes it too easy to circumvent that privacy. Offering the path for data leak in one area just implies that there will be others. The hard stance on 0 telemetry gives me confidence in the product.
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I was thinking after the pdf.js got introduced, that maybe this could help
https://github.com/mozilla/firefox-translations
I have no experience with it, so idk if its any good, or if it can be used. I just read that it translates the web locally without using the cloud
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osdiab Since can TWP works on Orion, and I must say that on chrome and Firefox it is the best translation extension in the world
https://github.com/FilipePS/Traduzir-paginas-web/releases
For having tried all other solutions, native or extensions of all browsers. None will do the job as well as this one. Really!
It translates what is displayed on the screen and not the whole page at once, which means that when I'm in the middle of the page and I translate I don't have the page falling off too much and it's incredibly faster than safari's translation because it only translates what is necessary.
Also it is possible to exclude <pre> tags. The page tracking is good. Etc... Incredible!
I don't think we should waste time implementing anything else. Just properly support this extension which is perfect.