Local Translate in the Browser

Beerdedfellow

I definitely second the need for native translate, but wanted to add the opinion/input of another user here.

As a consumer, I like the fact that Orion takes a hard stance on 0-telemetry. It's unfortunate, but we need products today that will protect the user from themselves. A "regular" user who installs Orion because they like the privacy features could inadvertently circumvent those same measures by making configuration changes without understanding the true implications. At that point, Orion has failed in its goal to make the internet safer for the user. If clicking a single bookmarklet to translate a page (which takes the user to an external page making it obvious you're sending information to Google) is too cumbersome for the user, maybe the user needs to explore a different browser with more relaxed controls and is out of beta.

Just my perspective. Orian can't make the hard claim for user privacy if it makes it too easy to circumvent that privacy. Offering the path for data leak in one area just implies that there will be others. The hard stance on 0 telemetry gives me confidence in the product.

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Vlad

I was thinking after the pdf.js got introduced, that maybe this could help

https://github.com/mozilla/firefox-translations

I have no experience with it, so idk if its any good, or if it can be used. I just read that it translates the web locally without using the cloud

Vlad

Longely Can you install the extension and verify how good it is? Does it work in Orion?

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Vlad

doesnt work

bazalp

osdiab Since can TWP works on Orion, and I must say that on chrome and Firefox it is the best translation extension in the world
https://github.com/FilipePS/Traduzir-paginas-web/releases

For having tried all other solutions, native or extensions of all browsers. None will do the job as well as this one. Really!
It translates what is displayed on the screen and not the whole page at once, which means that when I'm in the middle of the page and I translate I don't have the page falling off too much and it's incredibly faster than safari's translation because it only translates what is necessary.
Also it is possible to exclude <pre> tags. The page tracking is good. Etc... Incredible!

I don't think we should waste time implementing anything else. Just properly support this extension which is perfect.

Vlad

bazalp Yep, there are a number of translation plugins that work in orion but the original request had to with privacy - not sending your browsing information and history to any third party service.

pringerx

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I can't find a built in translate page function that is found in chrome/safari, I use this often, can this be added? Thanks.

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Vlad

pringerx pringerx

There are number of translation extensions you can use that work with Orion like

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mate-translate-–-translat/ihmgiclibbndffejedjimfjmfoabpcke
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/traduzir-paginas-web/

Or you cna have a simple google translate bookmarklet http://7is7.com/software/bookmarklets/translate.html

We are waiting for Apple to make the on-device translation API available to include this in Orion.

Vlad

We are waiting for Apple to allow us access to the built in Translation API in the macOS. This is the most privacy respecting and the most efficient way to get translations in the browser.

In the meantime there is a new project which does local translations in the browser

https://browser.mt/

They have a firefox extensions and it works great in Orion. No 3rd party services are used for translation and it works even offline.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/translatelocally-for-firefox/

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Vlad

On what sites have you gotten this to work?

Its the same as i mentioned previously, but never got working

obroc

Vlad is this supposed to work for mobile as well? Hoping there is a translation solution on iOS as well, but have so far been unsuccessful with the extension you mentioned

mattheja

Vlad Initial testing with this is quite good, thank you. With this, I am going to swap back to Orion full time. The reason I went back to Safari was for native translation. I have noticed that Microsoft Outlook for Mac can use the Apple native translation now, so I am hoping Orion can use this soon? I genuinely have no idea how Apple and their API's work in relation to software development, but in the last of 18 months of Apple updates in iOS and MacOS, the native translation functions have both improved and are available more often when using them.

YannickBurky

Vlad This is a great extension, but unfortunately it doesn't work on the mobile version of orion.

Longely

nevermind, got it to work now on some sites

Vlad

obroc what do you use in other browsers on iOS?

Vlad

mattheja

Microsoft Outlook for Mac can use the Apple native translation

Can you share more details about this and how do you know it is native system translation?

mattheja

Vlad

I should not assume it is I suppose, but if I right mouse click the same German text in my Outlook for Mac app v16.80 23121017, and then also in Apple's Notes, the UI elements are identical and translations are identical. In Outlook, if I select the language dropdown, then "more languages", it opens up my MacOS settings General>Language&Region>Translation Languages. I'm on Sonoma 14.2.1.

MiguelAmaral

I would like to propose as a test-case reddit.com or old.reddit.com . Afaik on iOS there’s no translation extension that works for this website on Orion, but Firefox on the desktop can do it with TWP. Safari on iOS has no control for target language if the user has picked multiple languages as understood: if Reddit itself shows some UI in English because that’s how the user account is configured, but comments are in a different language, Safari picks as target language the second in the list of user languages.

Vlad

Note that Orion already has "Translate ..." available in the right click menu when you select some text on the page. This is inherited natively from WebKit/system.

Wion

Vlad didn't know, thanks

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