I have 10 tab groups with a total of 200 tabs. Each time I close and restart the browser my tab order is messed up.

Sarafea

Each time I close and restart the browser my tab order is messed up.

Be kind to explain what does this mean, steps to reproduce and or video/screenshots would be nice too.

Hi, I think I'm having a similar issue

Steps to reproduce:
Reproduced on a clean profile.

1. Create a new tab group/saved window
2. Open 2 different tabs (I used google.com and youtube.com)
3. Switch the order of the 2 tabs
4. Close the window (no need to quit)
5. Reopen by clicking Orion on the dock
6. Reopen the tab group. The order of the 2 tabs are switched to how they were originally created

Also another possibly related issue is that the tab history of the tabs in the tab group are not saved as well. I can reproduce this by clicking a youtube video before closing the window.

Expected behavior:
The tabs should remain in the order when the window is closed

Orion, OS version; hardware type:
Version 0.99.123.1-beta (WebKit 615.1.16.1)
M1 Macbook Pro, MacOS Ventura 13.1

Hi, has this been fixed? I just updated to the newest version (Version 0.99.123.3-beta). The changelog states that this has been fixed, but I can still reproduce it in both my usual profiles and a clean profile.

Jimpaly Can you show a video?

Sure, here is a video of the problem:

Magebarf

To add some more details; On previous restarts the four tabs from the SNBForums, each with a different sub-forum/category on the forum, has come up in random order. I thought I remembered which order I had them open, but wrote it down as confusion. After seeing a clear evidence (the screenshot where the two tabs were separated by the four SNBForum tabs) I'm even more sure the reordering happens.

Interestingly, those four tabs has been kept together for quite a number of restarts, but their internal order does not come up the same every time.

Is there any movement on this one? I've had this issue since I started using Orion, and I basically try to avoid restarting the browser if at all possible as a result, but each time I do it's super annoying to find the tabs essentially completely randomized - like, not even close to the original order they were opened in, let alone the order I sorted them into. In some cases, even the parent/child relationship is lost, but then in other cases it's preserved; I can't really tell if there is a specific criteria on that part of it though.

Orion is the only browser I've used that doesn't go out of it's way to restore tabs to their original order and hierarchy upon restart. Fingers crossed this gets addressed soon.

Vlad Understood, I certainly don’t mean to imply that you all are doing anything other than a great job, I’m just surprised to see something like this still lingering after several months. In any case, I’m sure there is a never ending queue of higher priority issues, so if this one isn’t making the cut, I trust your judgment.

bitwalker I can understand you are surprised but judging by the number of upvotes, it is a fairly low impact thing, and not something most users experience every day.

Could this be related and merged?
https://orionfeedback.org/d/1549-switching-from-vertical-tabs-and-back-again-messes-up-tab-order/

Steps to reproduce:

1. Use vertical tab mode
2. Switch to normal tab mode and open some tabs
3. Switch back to vertical tab mode
4. Some tabs are not visible anymore and when using cmd+num the invisible tabs from normal tab mode come back

Expected behavior:
Tabs in both modes are compatible

Orion, OS version; hardware type:
Orion: Version 0.99.111-beta
macOS: 12.1 Monterey
M1 macbook pro

I'm trying to reproduce this on my machine (M1 MacBook Air, Monterey, same Origin version) to see if I can add detail but I haven't been able to reproduce it. Does this happen with a lot of tabs? Do the tabs have long names? Is there a website this reliably happens with?

Btw. Did not know about the command shortcut for switching tabs; thanks for teaching me.

pingiun Please provide exact steps to reproduce.

Also the browser crashes if you try to close the "invisible" tab

I wasn't aware having many tabs open could be the problem

It seems tabs open at the end of my tab list now instead of the start so I'm unable to reproduce this

Not sure if it the same, but I getting tabs' mess after Orion is restarted. The strange is that this not quite stable behaviour. I can reproduce it with ₅₀/50 chance.

My steps to reproduce is:

0. Create new window, and a tree of tabs (like 1, 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.1.1.1, 1.2, 1.3), and close the browser
1. Open the browser
2. Click all tabs from bottom to top
3. Ctrl-Tab from the top

So in step 3 it will cycle either 1, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.1.1, 1.1.1.1, or 1, 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.1.1.1, 1.2, 1.3.
If one will restart the browser, it could cycle in different order (one of these two).

Here is the screencast. First attempt with correct behaviour, second with incorrect.

Following up on this thread again, because despite some related issues (namely the pinned tab variant of this) being reported as fixed in the last release, my tabs still get randomized every single time I restart the browser, like, barely any resemblance at all to how they were when I closed the browser.

I don't have any kind of special setup, with tab groups and what not. I have 3 pinned tabs (which I've never seen reordered, but I digress), and generally between 100-150 tabs open in one group.

Here's what I have observed:

• The tabs that are primarily "randomized" are those that are active when the browser is exited.
• Suspended tabs seem to preserve their relative order, but their absolute order is affected by the apparent randomization of the active tabs.
• I cannot reproduce in a new profile, at least not trivially. So this has something to do with long-lived profiles. Unfortunately, that makes it a lot harder to troubleshoot, but I think it explains why it has been so easy to dismiss as being resolved. The thing is, there isn't any obvious way to "repair" a profile once this starts happening, i.e. it keeps happening to me and I have no idea what to do short of rebuilding a profile from scratch and hoping that actually fixes it, and that I don't just end up hitting the issue again at some point. If I was the only one seeing this, I'd just do that anyway, but this seems to happen on a recurring basis, so I'm doubtful that's an actual fix.

So I think I just want to make sure that whoever is looking/will look into this, is aware that it might not be something you can trivially test for, at least not until some underlying cause is identified. I'm happy to run any tests/experiments/whatever you want, since it's easy for me to repro on my primary profile, but aside from that I guess there isn't much that can be done.

bitwalker Would you be able to post a video of this happening?

Vlad Sure thing, I'll do that first thing Monday.

@Vlad Sorry for the delay, finally had a little time where I could record what this looks like.

You will probably have to pause before/after to note how various tabs have moved around. I should also mention that I had most of my tabs suspended here, since I only restored a subset of them after the last time I restarted the browser, so I don't know to what degree that affects the results, but I had enough active that you can still see how it moves them around arbitrarily. This time the randomization wasn't too bad, at least most of the recent tabs I had open were still visible on screen, but that's not always the case, some times it mixes tabs up to the point where half the tabs I had open are up at the top of the tab list, off screen - though I've made more of a habit of suspending tabs in recent times, and that seems to have tempered those cases considerably.

Let me know if I can provide any additional assistance!