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Became a + supporter to support development of a Linux version! Great work so far, thank you.

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4 days later

Vlad this guy is very mean. banned me after i made 10 posts here to get RC -_-

    7 days later

    Hmm this is a classic chicken and egg problem. I'm interested in Orion, but I don't have any Apple devices, so I'd sponsor a project that might never get released on my platforms. For now I'll stick with Kagi professional and hope it'll help Orion as well 🙂

      12 days later

      Just my two cents here regarding the choice for future platform development:

      Maybe you could give already paying Kagi and Orion users the option to fill out a simple survey to let you know which OS' they are using (besides MacOS and iOS). Maybe new users too during the sign up process (voluntarily of course). Would that help you plan which platforms to prioritize in the future?

      For instance, I suspect there might be a ton of MacOS users who actually have Android phones instead of iPhones. So that may be a low-hanging fruit that benefits and encourages already paying customers while also opening up to lots of potential, new, Android-only users.

      Anyway, just a thought!

      2 months later

      CostcoFanboy The web engine that it uses is WebKit, which differs from the web engine used by chrome ( Blink ). So it is not as straight forward as forking ungoogled-chromium ( and even if they could, it is not that simple ).

        I have Orion installed on my iOS and Apple machines but I would sure love to see it coming on Linux ( which I feel like must be the easiest target to develop for ).

        I love the fact you can use both firefox and chrome extensions, I will use the browser a bit more to see whether I want to invest money in it if I really like the product.

          10 days later

          I would love to see Orion on Android or Windows.

            4 days later

            They won't do a single thing to support any other platform, hence Orion doesn't have much of a future. It'd be great to be proven wrong, for once.

              11 days later

              My wife and I have been using Kagi search for about two months now. We love it so much that we decided to get a lifetime subscription to Orion+ to help with the development of the browser for Windows, Linux and Android. Currently we do not have a MacOS computer for personal use, so hopefully we will be able to use the Orion browser on Windows or Linux and Android soon. Keep up the good work.

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                FunkyBooyea Thanks for your support, this is what will eventually make it happen.

                  8 days later

                  JunkBrunstoe You've clearly never tried any of the claimed bookmark syncing extensions. They're all terrible. Worse than terrible.
                  There's a lot to be said for consistent experiences across the board between systems. Beyond just the bookmarks. I much prefer having the experience follow me across iphone, ipad, macbookpro, and my work laptop that runs windows. But I've been impressed enough by Orion I'm going to switch my personal devices to it despite it not supporting what my work devices run yet.

                    14 days later

                    And since Orion is funded by its users only, it is entirely up to the number of subscribers and Orion+ sales we have that will enable funding a new team to make Orion for any new platform.

                    This is a very chicken / egg approach.

                    Ios has less than 20% smartphone marketshare, and macos has less than 20% desktop marketshare, so you're already playing to an inside straight just on the userbase numbers. And then think about apple users... These are by-and-large people who think the most important feature of their smartphone is what color bubble they have in group chat. The people most likely to be interested in 'owning their own web browser', i.e., security conscious and power users are overwhelmingly on Android and Linux or windows.

                    I would be very willing to pay for Orion development, but I don't use apple products. So what I'm hearing is I should start paying now, and maybe one day (possibly years from now), a version for one or more of the OSes I use (Windows, Linux & Android) might be considered.... That's not a very good value proposition.

                    The situation is quite different and simpler - we do not have the resources to hire a new team to do any of these platforms yet.

                    Instead of asking people to support Orion+ now while it's only being developed for niche OSes, might I suggest raising capital to fund cross platform development though crowd funding? I would be more than willing to purchase a lifetime subscription if I knew that contribution was earmarked towards developing for real OSes, and it would be nice to see and contribute towards a concrete goal of actually getting the ball rolling instead of just a nebulous "someday, maybe...".

                    Instead of asking people to support Orion+ now while it's only being developed for niche OSes, might I suggest raising capital to fund cross platform development though crowd funding? I would be more than willing to purchase a lifetime subscription if I knew that contribution was earmarked towards developing for real OSes, and it would be nice to see and contribute towards a concrete goal of actually getting the ball rolling instead of just a nebulous "someday, maybe...".

                    I wouldn't mind this at all. If we have a funding goal, I would gladly back it on Kickstarter. At least then we've got a timeline 🙂

                      Not looking to start an old school flame war, but... everybody who has decided that they never want to buy an Apple computer, what are the cons with a hackintosh? From what I see online it can be a hassle to set up and get running, but after that you have a system with OSX. Linux is also a hassle to get functioning, and then continue to be a hassle, in my experience.

                        @Vlad Crowdfunding is a good idea for Orion, even literal "green" browsers get 40k in funds for an essentially 0 value proposition, just some weird kind of affiliate program attached. Orion actually has great value proposition, it is lightning fast, very safe, focused on privacy, has extension support and whatnot. It's just very good and if you put it up on even 2-3 crowdfunding platforms, you would see a great result. I can't even imagine what it would do on a beefed up windows laptop, it already runs faster on 2011 mac than chrome on a 2022 laptop. I also think you should actually have a presence on X, it is a good place to find help and contributors; one person from my network actually found an angel investor for his product on X itself. There are many developers out there doing and looking for crazy shit and would love to support Orion.

                          Just to align expectations - We are looking at about two years of development for a team of 3-5 for Orion on a new platform to reach state close to where Orion is today on macOS. The cost will not be $40k but likely closer to $500k-$1M, provided we can find actual people capable of doing it.

                          Crowdfunding this is a good idea, would love to hear more thoughts on how should we set it up.

                          carl Linux is also a hassle to get functioning, and then continue to be a hassle, in my experience.

                          True, and IMO, the hassle is probably not even worth it, given Linux's tiny desktop market share.

                          AFAIR, Google Chrome had started as a Windows-only browser, and with Windows being the dominant desktop platform, it would make sense to have Orion on Windows in the foreseeable future though.