Apple Passwords Integration (Safari-like)

Anatomy5803

@Vlad I unfortunately can't 🙁 due to privacy concerns, but maybe someone else could? Right now on Orion you have to autofill by searching the account through the passwords option in the context menu. Imagine in the screenshot I showed in my previous post it just showed "Passwords..." and once you click that you have to search for the specific account.

mountainash

@Vlad this is still a real issue. The current Orion use of Apple Passwords through the "auto fill" context menu is very painful for the "trend" in multi-step logins. Take Asana with 2FA... you need to invoke the context menu > "Auto fill" > "Passwords" > Login Apple account (enter password if you don't have a finger-print reader) [and the timeout on the Apple Passwords is short - so you have to do this often]) > then the Apple Passwords modal doesn't seem to get the URL context, it also doesn't autofocus the search form (requiring another click) > find the site in all your Apple Passwords list > open it > select the login username/email > submit the websites form.... then do the same flow (minus the session creation to Apple Passwords) again for the password > submit that form... then do the same flow again for the OTP (one-time-verification-code).

As you can read; this isn't a nice UX (it's a lot of steps which adds a lot of effort that other alternatives/browsers aren't doing).

glhrmv

This is a highly desirable feature. When automatically-generated passwords are in the mix, it would be very convenient if Orion could fetch them like Safari does.

Vlad

glhrmv Can you give an example of non-Safari browser that does this better than Orion? (it might be that what you ask is simply not possible)

glhrmv

Vlad Hmm I guess ideally Orion's keychain would just be a replica of Apple Passwords. I don't know any browser that does this better.

mountainash

The official Apple iCloud Chrome (Play Store) extension has a better/faster/shorter UX flow that Orion for filling inputs with content stored in Apple Passwords.

Vlad

mountainash Can you show a video of this vs Orion? Thanks

mountainash

Previously I've posted all the stages of Orion as screenshots. Attached now is a video of the Chrome iClouds Passwords Extension running in Arc. One video shows with the extensions "Autofill" setting enabled, and the other manually requesting the login fill from the Extensions icon. Both methods allow for multi account selection and filter to passwords for the site. It's a much much simplifier and faster UX flow than Orion's current implementation.
The autofill option opens the overlay on site load, so it's 2 clicks to login. I think if you have only one account for the site in Passwords, then it's as simple as the browser native password autofill.

Vlad

mountainash Thanks for providing the vide this shouldbe possible to implement.

plyght

Vlad will this feature then include Touch ID integration, as well as passkeys, or is this seperate? I am confused at the difference between icloud keychain and passkeys as well as passwords.

ltg

Vlad eagerly awaiting Apple Passwords app integration! Thanks, Vlad.

Vlad

plyght Passkeys is different.

plyght

Vlad So Touch ID will be implemented with passwords, but not passkeys?

Vlad

Both will

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Anatomy5803

In the meantime you can use the iCloud Passwords extension (from Apple) on AMO

ltg

Anatomy5803 interesting.

Related question: do you know if is there an advantage/disadvantage to using Chrome extensions vs Firefox Addons in Orion?

Ryxu8

ltg

Depends on the extension, certain Chrome extensions work better in Orion compared to Firefox Add-ons and vice versa.

louis77

I hope Apple Passwords integration will ever make it into Orion. The iCloud Passwords extension from Chrome/Firefox store doesn't work anymore with Orion and it's a total blocker for me.

I would even go so far as to recommend to replace the native Orion Password manager with default Apple Passwords integration, which enables also automatic sync of passwords to all iDevices. Orion is a Mac browser after all and there is not so much a reason to re-invent the wheel in my opinion.

Ryxu8

louis77
The iCloud Passwords extension broke on macOS Sequoia 18.4 but is now working again in macOS 18.5, I am using it right now:
https://orionfeedback.org/d/10025-icloud-passwords-extension-not-working-on-macos-sequoia-154-beta/23

I don't think syncing iCloud passwords natively without the extension between Orion's Keychain and iCloud Keychain is possible. Vlad said that "Apple does not allow apps writing in each other's keychain. Orion can not write in keychain used by Safari and vice versa." in this thread:
https://orionfeedback.org/d/8089-icloud-keychain-native-autofill