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I came back to Orion after a couple of months. I wanted to report that I'm on 126.4.1-beta and over the last couple of days I have not seen this problem come back. The beta was released on 14 Dec when I constantly faced this issue, so I'm not sure what changed.

    13 days later

    Over the past weeks, I tried now Orion RC (always latest version) with the same websites, ones as part of a synchronized tab group, and once without. As soon as it's part of a synchronized tab group AND the same tab group is open on another computer, the problem occurs very frequently. outside a stored tab group, I never had the problem. Maybe this points in a direction...

      This is happening for me in the latest RC. I think the random tab refreshes and random reloading of previously visited pages described in #6920 may be the same problem, based partly on the fact that they are both happening to me a lot, right at the same time.

        4 days later

        reloading happening in prime video, watching shows in full screen will cause an reload of the page.

        Version 0.99.126.4.1-beta (WebKit 618.1.2)
        Build date Dec 14 2023
        MacBook Pro (macOS Sonoma 14.2 build 23C64)

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          I can confirm, same problem happens regularly on Twitch.tv - random page refresh once in a while (1-3 times an hour).

            4 days later

            While it worked well in the first two days for me, the problem returned with a new issue. Now suddenly, saved Windows are not synchronized across devices but duplicated. The window that I had opened on my two macs suddenly appears twice and keeps reloading again pages!

              sektorkos Yes we are aware, we will have another RC today, let us know if this gets fixed.

                  Hi just updated to the latest RC [Version 0.99.126.4.1.9-rc (WebKit 619.1.1)
                  Build date Mar 7 2024] on my system with Catalina and still having the refresh issue (originally reported in another post but I think merged into this one) where clicking on links from Google search results just results in a page refresh.

                  However, I noticed the Show Console Errors Indicator and turned it on. After which I got this message under "Web Inspector encountered an internal error":

                  TypeError:​ kagi.handleFeedURLs is not a function. (In 'kagi.handleFeedURLs(Array.from(feedsTitles)​, window.location.href)​', 'kagi.handleFeedURLs' is undefined)​ (at undefined:​15:​24)​
                  ?​ @

                  I got this while on the google home page (www.google.com) and responding to Google's popup that "Google recommend using Chrome" -> Don't switch.

                  • Vlad replied to this.

                    bzgnyc Yes that is unrelated. Can you show a video of these reloads?

                        Uploaded the steps to get that message though a little different than I remember with the first post -- I don't remember having to click on the Web Console Indicator to get that message and/or I remember the indicator being red. Anyway, not sure if this is related to the title of this thread so we can move this issue if helpful.

                        Otherwise, what I was originally trying to get at was the issue I reported here: https://orionfeedback.org/d/7133-some-webpages-have-to-take-a-refresh-to-load-up

                        persists with this RC on Catalina.

                          Unfortunately, the issue is still not fixed, also with the latest RC. I'd say the page reloading got even worse for me. A concrete example is a Google Doc's file I try to work on. I am not able to type more then 3 words before the page gets reloaded again when within saved window.

                            Vlad Updated to the latest RC last night and that addressed the kagi.handleFeedURLs issue.

                            However, the reloading issue persists for me.

                            I did get several process crash messages from this latest Orion while testing the refresh issue but I can't find any CrashReporter/etc files to submit. Is there something I need to enable for those to be saved so that I can share back to the team?

                                7 days later

                                FYI updated to latest RC last night [Version 0.99.126.4.1.11-rc (WebKit 619.1.1)] and still have the not loading/refreshing issue under Catalina.

                                One thing i notice is that the Google results page works (or not) slightly differently under Orion with the old content blocker database loaded versus the latest. I hadn't been updating the Content Blocker database with each Orion update so by default my RC browsers are back at 1/1/24 7:00pm. With one of the latest RC but not updating the Content Blocker database, the hover over started working again such that for example when I hover over a link from Google results, it underlines. When I updated the Content blocker database after an RC update, the hover over broke. This hover-over behavior is not important to me but rather mentioning in case a clue to the issue. Happy to try alternate experiments around this if helpful. Or if not clear yet what I am talking about will post a video.

                                FYI I have tried all these tests with Compatibility Mode enabled (or not) and it doesn't make a difference in this issue.

                                  FYI, I downloaded and tested each version of Orion for this issue on Catlina and found it only started for me with the Jan 1 RC. I have no problems with this on Catalina with "Version 0.99.126.4.1-beta (WebKit 618.1.2) Build date Dec 14 2023". But I hit the issue starting with "Version 0.99.126.4.1.3-rc (WebKit 618.1.7) Build date Jan 1 2024"

                                  Alternatively I notice the RC don't share the same profiles, etc as the Beta. Could it be not so much the browser/engine but the RC releases are not finding something they need? Note I did test for the issue in the RC after a Reset Orion but it didn't make a difference.

                                  Otherwise the obvious difference between the Beta and thh RC is the Webkit -- 618.1.2 in the last Beta that worked while the issue appears starting with the RC with 618.17 and continues through the RC with 619.1.1.

                                    I tested the latest Orion RC with the frameworks from the last Orion Beta and it fixed the refresh/reload issue I have under Catalina. I remembered something I read on the WebKit site and used DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH to use the WebKit and other frameworks from the Dec 14 Beta (i.e. WebKit 618.1.2 along with WebCore and other supporting frameworks) with the latest. While I am sure there are drawbacks to mixing and matching applications and frameworks this way, I figured it might be a quick way to distinguish the issue to the main application or one of the frameworks (e.g. WebKit).

                                    If I set and export DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH to the last Orion Beta/Contents/Frameworks in Terminal and then run the latest Orion RC, it passes all my tests cases. If I then unset DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH and then run Orion RC, I am back to the refresh/reload issue.