149

clintre Only 7 people out of 85 say they would chip in for a kickstarter, and this is the hard core userbase we are talking about here. That does not give a lot of confidence to go in and spend significant resources setting it up. We will focus on Mac for the time being and start thinking about Linux version when opportunity shows (will be triggered by either growth of Orion paid members or Kagi paid members)

      Vlad Unfortunately that is what I figured. I can always hope, though.

      I will tell you this, if you can get closer to the number you will need, you can count me in to cover $400.

      Thanks for the reply

          12 days later

          I would use Orion for Linux as long as it doesn't use anything that starts with Chrom....
          As far as a Kickstarter goes, I guess it just depends on the timing and if there was going to be a completely new engine or not.. Latching onto https://servo.org would be a win IMHO.

            It is a bummer that this doesn't look like it is going to happen. Actually started using Kagi to hopefully help fund things like this. Probably time to move on, but totally understand from a business perspective.

            • Vlad replied to this.

              ClintE

              It is a bummer that this doesn't look like it is going to happen.

              That is what people told me about Kagi and Orion in 2019 🙂

                geeknik Servo looks interesting and I like the idea. However, may be early for production/paid software. I tried it on my Mac and it couldn't pass all BrowserBench tests. Then it was substantially slower than Orion on the ones it could do (e.g. JetStream2). Seems like it will need more time to bake before it is ready.

                In an ideal world, Orion could virtualize the interface to the web engine such that either WebKit or Servo could be used and perhaps available as a platform/version build decision. However, not sure that would be like trying to develop an airframe that could accept both propeller and jet engines. In theory possible but the result not really good as either. Vlad et all know the architectures and issues best, but I could see why they decide to stick with WebKit for the forseeable versions.

                  3 months later

                  I'm interested, Kagi unlimited user. I'd be interested in buying a lifetime Orion license if it whad Linux support, but since the Mac and iOS apps don't have many worthwhile extras and i have to use a different browser on Linux, i'll stick with just my Kagi sub for now. I'd also be interested in supporting a kickstarter, but i do recognize the challenge in realizing enough support to make it happen.

                    • Llaiz

                    • Post #79

                    Wavebeam
                    You'll be happy to hear that Orion for Linux development is starting soon.
                    This was announced by Vlad in the Kagi end-of-year community event a few weeks ago:

                        laiz That makes me very happy.

                            very happy to hear that!!!

                              KDE is preferred, but WebKit is more important and currently that is in the Epiphany web browser. Just minimize the use of libadwaita, and you can make it more well-rounded across platforms or go the path like other browsers that do no rely too much on GTK or QT.

                                • Dustin

                                • Post #84
                                • Edited

                                clintre

                                I think it would be a mistake not to build the browser behind GTK and libadwaita. IMO, the WebKit project on Linux is WebKitGTK anyway but the ease of building an app with first-class convergence/responsive design and full gesture support with touch is really not worth throwing that away for 8-10% of the tiny desktop Linux market which are not using GTK by default.

                                    Dustin GTK I have no problem with, libadwaita causes more problems with styling on other DEs. GTK itself is not the issue. It is why I had the caveat that WebKit is more important because it already exists within Linux and to simply minimize the use of libadwaita specifically vs GTK. GTK is more required. Would be better if it was neither, but that would cost too much development time to re-create the client-side.

                                      7 days later
                                      a month later

                                      Vlad

                                      hooray!! 😃

                                      Does "at day 1" mean that if we subscribe to Orion+, there would be a linux version available as a beta - or something else?