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Vlad Just wanted to chime in my support for this feature request + anecdotes.

I use keepass for self-hosted password storage/syncing and on iOS I have Strongbox setup for autofilling natively instead of the iCloud keychain. Works wonderfully there.

On desktop however, I use a different keepass client app (KeeWeb) and its chrome extension for autofill since I use Brave and only Safari currently supports the native autofill on mac... After much effort though, i've not been able to get the extension to work with Orion.

This is really the last & biggest hurdle keeping me from moving over to Orion.

Put simply, in my case native autofill support would enable the benefits of:

  1. (obviously) integrating with the native & more secure password system
  2. being able to use Strongbox's native-first apps on both iOS and macOS
  3. not running an, admittedly small, electron app (KeeWeb) on desktop at all times
  4. not having to depend on a browser extension for autofill at all
  5. having autofill password access system-wide not just on the web
  6. making it instantly both practical and beneficial to switch to Orion full time

TL;DR
Adding native autofill support would, in web browsing contexts, be a silver bullet in my quest to optimize & streamline the overall desktop env + workflows following my recent upgrade to a new M1 macbook.

      16 days later

      nlydv A first look into this and it looks like those api's may be private. Is there any non-Apple app on macOS that can fill Strongbox passwords from native autofill?

          I have been trying to get Orion to work with Strongbox and have had issues so far. I read a post here previously about Strongbox and it needing to be “aware” of Orion. I posted about this in the Strongbox subreddit and received a response from the developer that seems to indicate that Orion may need to do some work to integrate the macOS autofill API differently. This makes sense as it now uses the same one iOS does. Here is a link to the post.

          There are similar issues here regarding integrating this API. I posted about this in Discord and am creating this issue to accompany the discussion.

          2 months later
          Merged 2 posts from Support native macOS & iOS Autofill API.

            Vlad Yes I actually just recently noticed that Nova, a mac-only code editor by Panic, natively hooks into the autofill system:

                17 days later

                Minimalist, a password manager designed exclusively for Mac and iPhone/iPad, leverages Apple’s AutoFill system. While I don't yet have access to the iOS/iPadOS Orion app (awaiting an invite), Orion on the Mac seemingly doesn't currently leverage AutoFill. This post from Minimalist's help articles speaks towards the benefits regarding security, privacy, and convenience of AutoFill.

                • Vlad replied to this.

                  Do you have any idea how many other password managers leverage autofill on the desktop platform? I guess if there is a range of popular ones which do, this would make more sense. I must admit I wasn't aware of it on the desktop platform, as I have only ever seen it on i(Pad)OS since I don't use Safari on desktop.

                    gp I'm not aware of the implementations utilized for other Mac password manager apps. I presume most are exclusively utilizing their own extensions, from which there's privacy and convenience arguments to be had.

                    Additionally, with adoption of AutoFill, I don't believe its use would be limited to password manager apps.

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                        JRML1124

                        Autofill API exists only on iOS/iPadOS. AFAIK, the only way to use it on Mac is through SwiftUI which ports the same iOS API over, but very few apps use SwiftUI on Mac because of extreme limitations (Orion and Safari do not use it).

                        I am not sure what does work in Safari and how, would appreciate more information on this.

                          2 months later

                          I would love to see this feature, I use credit card, address, name/phone, autofill quite often in Safari on MacOS and miss it dearly in Orion. I'm not sure what is available API wise, but it looks like Safari AutoFill pulls from the Wallet and Contacts apps.

                            wes I'd love for it to be wallet API as that would be simple to integrate. We will look into it.

                              3 months later
                              Merged 7 posts from Add support for Apple's AutoFill system.

                                Vlad no I don’t believe it is…

                                From what I gather however—as someone with little to no swift development experience—it seems like the way Apple has it setup is that as long as you code input fields to surface the 1st party keychain autofill UI, then any 3rd party autofill providers will also come up if enabled by the user…?

                                Purely speculative on my part though based on my personal observations and interpretation of Apple’s docs. Since installing Strongbox I don’t think I’ve ever seen an autofill field that didn’t also provide Strongbox as an option.

                                    Steps to reproduce:
                                    Use a password manager with a macOS Password Autofill API (introduced in Big Sur) compliant extension (In this case, Strongbox Pro). Open a page in Orion for which the password is saved and linked to the URL. Click on the relevant field and no passwords are suggested. Clicking on "Passwords..." presents no options either. Safari does present these passwords to the user on clicking the relevant fields.

                                    Expected behavior:
                                    Orion to present passwords sourced from any app that has an Autofill extension enabled. (System Preferences > Extensions > Autofill)

                                    Orion, OS version; hardware type:
                                    Orion Version 0.99.113.2-beta, macOS 12.2.1 (21D62), M1 MacBook Air 2020 (MacBookAir10,1)

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                                    • vkt replied to this.

                                      Orion does not yet support the Autofill API. It will soon support it in a following release.

                                        Merged 2 posts from Password Autofill not Functioning with 3rd Party Apps.
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                                          8 months later

                                          Is it now supported? Because I still see the same behavior as mentioned by ttrv65ebyng above. Except that I can click on "Passwords...", and Orion will pop up the list of login/passwords saved in macOS. But Orion still does not suggest any saved login. I am on Version 0.99.122-beta (WebKit 615.1.11.7) running on Mac mini M1 (macOS Ventura 13.1 build 22C65). Maybe I am missing something?

                                          Note that that I not using a third party password manager but the macOS builtin one.

                                          • Vlad replied to this.

                                              vkt Orion does support native AutoFill. There is no 'built in' macOS password manager, there is only Keychain and Orion uses Keychain to manage passwords. If you have passwords in Safari keychain you need to export them and import into Orion Keychain. Does that make sense?