Wizzair.com automatically added to content blockers settings to OFF

Nezteb

I'd prefer there be no default list.

I've used Brave, LibreWolf, and a half dozen other browsers whose built-in protections sometimes cause sites to break for weird reasons; it's very common. It might discourage people coming from vanilla Chrome/Firefox/Edge/Safari installs where there are almost no default protections, but that's one of the many reasons I like Orion.

Toggling compatibility mode is already pretty easy IMO as its only two clicks.

I went one step further and added a programmable button to do this in a single click; you could go even further and actually set up a keyboard shortcut for it but I'm lazy.

Vlad

Nezteb I like the utilization of the programmable button!

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Nezteb

Im not against protection. quite the opposite.

But keep in mind every website i have to use Compatibility mode on. I will not have protection on, which i dont think is good from a protection stand point.

Hence why I was asking what specifically is technically different with Orions blocker that does this happens more often then other Browsers with blockers.

which it seems Vlad has just kinda answered

ps. I just tried Brave, and it doesnt break on any of the mentioned websites, (doesnt mean it doesnt elsewhere, or that it is as well protected as Orion)

Vlad

Longely Nothing special there are just many rules from various lists, over 700,000 of them so tweaking them individually is simply not viable. Every ad blocking list will break some sites, it is just a matter of how aggressive we want to be by default.

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Vlad

Nothing special there are just many rules from various lists, over 700,000

I see hmm..

And in the different cases i have reportet where it blocks the cookie overlay box, it treats it as an ad or? as a tracker?

It also shows ads on Google.com and Youtube.com (by default) which is 90% of ads people would see. We are much more determined in blocking ads everywhere.

Dont think it does, at least I dont see them.

Also im not doubting Orion is better protected in general. My biggest problem personally with this issue, is that it forces me to get tracked by everything on the specific websites Orion breaks on, if i want to visit them in Orion

Then you can say, is Orion better protection then Brave? Yes in general. but not on specific websites.

Vlad

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I just tried Brave, and it doesnt break on any of the mentioned websites, (doesnt mean it doesnt elsewhere, or that it is as well protected as Orion)

It also shows ads on Google.com and Youtube.com (by default) which is 90% of ads people would see. We are much more determined in blocking ads everywhere.

Nezteb

Longely But keep in mind every website i have to use Compatibility mode on. I will not have protection on, which i dont think is good from a protection stand point.

Hence why I was asking what specifically is technically different with Orions blocker that does this happens more often then other Browsers with blockers.

Perhaps there could be a few different "levels" of compatibility mode. Instead of all protection or no protection, maybe a few different tiers or advanced customization options similar to how Brave and Firefox do it?

Brave:

Firefox:

Vlad

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Dont think it does, at least I dont see them.

Easilly verifiable. Entire above the fold on Google is ads with Brave's "Block trackers and ads" ON. It is easy to claim you are blocking ads and trackers but then be mild about it (similar to claiming to be privacy respecting but then have a ton of telemetry on by default). We approach these matters much more seriously I have to say.

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Nezteb

Yep i was thinking something similar. But havent formulated in my head exactly what would make sense.. Since i dunno if I think it should be a general setting like in Brave or Firefox, it should only be a fall back thing for when sites break IMO, so it doesnt leave you completly unprotected in Compatibility Mode

charlyt1d

When a site doesn't work I usually don't set straight on the Compatibility Mode, but I toggle off the individual voices (enable content blockers, enable intelligent tracking prevention, enable javascript, ... into the Website Setting on top bar) until I can get it to work with the maximum protection possible for that specific website. It's a tedious way, but it requires few clicks and maybe a minute to sort it out.

uri-canva

Related to this there's a strange UI interaction: you are allowed to remove these exceptions in the preferences window, but when you relaunch Orion those exceptions are back in. They also don't look any different from regular exceptions. The UI could make it clearer that those exceptions come from built in settings that cannot be changed, and are not something I have set myself.

Vlad

uri-canva We'd prefer to remove the exceptions all together. I guess the purpose of this thread is to discuss how to best address this issues moving forward.

pastudan

I just came across this as a new user and found it odd. I initally wondered if it was siome sort of kickback / affiliate program that Orion was getting from wizzair.com. Or if it was some imported list from Chrome.

I'd recommend shipping with no default list, or at least linking to a blog post in the settings what the default list is and why it ships with it. Without a clear explanation, it seemed a little sketchy.