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Had Activity Monitor open at the point of crash this time: 826.6 MB real memory, 121.17 GB virtual memory. Which is normal for Discord + the "JavaScript memory cage", the new process looks similar and so did the equivalent Safari process, IIRC. There is a CPU spike in the Activity Monitor history but I think it's just as likely to be the crash log collection as an actual spike in the WebKit process.

The worst part is I was just idling this time. Previously it'd been happening while I was taking an action in Discord, though the action varied: sending a reaction, playing an embedded video, … But this time, given the reload state, I think it was just sitting there as the frontmost tab, receiving the usual updates in the background.

Various websites randomly reload. This has been an issue on the last three versions of Orion that I have tried. I have not identified any common factor or trigger for types of sites or timing of reloads. I have tried new, clean profiles, with and without extensions, with and without compatibility mode, and obviously various versions (beta and RC) of Orion, and the issue persists. I am on macOS Sonoma 14.1.2. There are no system-wide apps running related to browsing (I have removed any adblocking or VPN apps).

I'm curious if anyone else is having similar issues, or perhaps has had similar issues and figured out a solution. Vlad believes this is unique to my setup and not a bug, but I cannot figure out what would be causing this in relation to my setup and am looking for any suggestions if it is, in fact, unique to me. If it is not unique to me, I think it would be helpful to know that others have the same issue and perhaps we could help narrow down any common factors among those having the issue. Thanks!

Expected behavior is, of course, that websites would not randomly reload -- especially in the midst of writing emails 🙂

Version 0.99.126.4-rc

Sonoma (14)

  • Vlad replied to this.
    Merged 1 post from Random reloads .

      PJCville Not unique defeinetely, but also not readilly reproducible which makes it hard to debug. We believe it is a WebKit bug and will go away with the next WebKit update.

        Several pages on the Tesla website, including Trip Planner and Supercharger voting cause Orion to constantly keep reloading the results page. This makes Orion completely unresponsive, and I need to kill the tab, or Force Quit Orion. https://www.tesla.com/supercharger-voting/overview

        This happens even with website compatibility turned on.

        I expected the website to work as it does on Safari.

        0.99.126.4.1-beta (WebKit 618.1.2)

        Sonoma (14)

          Merged 1 post from Tesla Websites Hang, and make Orion unresponsive..
            5 days later

            Does anyone have insights into the timeline for the next WebKit update? I briefly reviewed their open bug reports for instances of "crashing," but encountered a multitude of unresolved issues.

            Given the volume of outstanding bugs, it's uncertain if the upcoming update will address the crash problem. I'm currently using Orion RC as my primary browser, but the persistent crashing issue is becoming increasingly annoying. Without a foreseeable fix in the next few weeks, I'm contemplating either reverting to the standard Orion version or temporarily switching to Brave. I'm curious to know how others are managing this situation. While I'm generally tolerant of RC glitches, the frequency of crashes with Orion RC — about twice a day — is challenging. I have to restart every time it happens to fix it.

            • Vlad replied to this.

              rosenrot I can imagine how it feels. It does not crash for me so the crash condition is local and unclear. We will plan to have a version with updated webkit in two weeks, RC earlier.

                  NOTE: I first noticed this on RC 0.99.123.1.1, I was unable to reproduce in the non-RC version of Orion, however it seems as though 123.2 has been released for both beta and RC channels, and I was able to duplicate in both beta and RC under this version.

                  Steps to reproduce:

                  • I used a brand new profile (the history in the profile was from attempting to duplicate this). No extensions, ad blocking entirely disabled, etc.
                  • I navigated to cabelas.com (note that I've seen this in multiple places, most frustratingly while watching YouTube videos) but it was easiest to demonstrate/duplicate the issue on this site. Other shopping sites such as target.com and Walmart.com will likely work as well.
                  • Drill down through several pages of product listings. Note as you progress, the browser slows down. Images load much slower, scrolling halts and becomes sluggish, etc.
                  • Eventually, the page just completely "reloads". When this happens on YouTube as an example, the progress you made while watching the video is lost (i.e. it starts over at the beginning)

                  Expected behavior:
                  Pages should not randomly reload while browsing. I was unable to duplicate this in the non-RC version of Orion (this was only noticed in the most recent version, so after the most recent memory leak fix, which may or may not be related -- maybe your GC is too aggressive?)

                  Orion, OS version; hardware type:
                  Orion RC 0.99.123.2-rc (WebKit 615.1.16.1)
                  macOS Version 13.2.1 (Build 22D68)
                  MacBookPro18,3

                  Session Info:

                  • Open windows => 1
                  • Pinned tabs => 0
                  • Active window tabs => 1
                  • Active tab url => orion://newtab/

                  Enabled Extensions:

                  Disabled Extensions:

                  Non Default Settings:

                  • ContentBlockerLastUpdated => 2023-02-03 00:00:00 +0000
                  • ToolbarConfiguration => {
                    "TB Default Item Identifiers" = (
                    toggleSidebar,
                    navigationGroup,
                    NSToolbarFlexibleSpaceItem,
                    privacyButton,
                    websiteSettingsButton,
                    locationBar,
                    bookmarkButton,
                    addTabButton,
                    NSToolbarFlexibleSpaceItem,
                    shareButton,
                    tabOverview
                    );
                    "TB Display Mode" = 2;
                    "TB Icon Size Mode" = 1;
                    "TB Is Shown" = 1;
                    "TB Item Identifiers" = (
                    toggleSidebar,
                    NSToolbarSidebarTrackingSeparatorItemIdentifier,
                    navigationGroup,
                    NSToolbarFlexibleSpaceItem,
                    privacyButton,
                    websiteSettingsButton,
                    locationBar,
                    bookmarkButton,
                    addTabButton,
                    NSToolbarFlexibleSpaceItem,
                    shareButton,
                    tabOverview
                    );
                    "TB Size Mode" = 1;
                    }
                  • FirstLaunch => 0
                  • PreCompiledContentRuleListVersion => 123.2
                  • SavedWindowSize => 1440.0,820.0
                  • SavedWindowPosition => 875.0,849.0
                  • QuitWithConfirmation => 0
                  • ActiveLibraryTab => extensions
                  • ActivePreferenceTab => search
                  • ContentBlockerEnabled => 0
                  • TrackingPreventionEnabled => 0

                  Image/Video:

                    Happens to me too while watching YouTube videos

                    I was able to duplicate on 0.99.123.2-rc last night, today I recorded it (along with about Orion dialog showing version)

                      Mentioned in discord but putting here as well, unable to duplicate in Safari/Safari TP, so doesn't seem to be webkit related

                        happened to me too in the orionfeedback website 3 times while writing one post lol

                          Having this same issue right now. Occurred in Google Slides & Gmail, with both reloading with no notice (At separate times).

                            Still receiving this exact issue. Particularly annoying on YouTube videos.

                            Orion, OS version; hardware type:
                            Version 0.99.123.3-beta (WebKit 615.1.16.1)
                            MacBook Air (macOS Monterey 12.4 build 21F79)

                            The pages are still randomly loading for me on youtube and reddit pages. It was particularly bad in 0.99.123.2 beta but now its less frequent but the issue is still there please fix it.

                            Version 0.99.123.3-beta (WebKit 615.1.16.1)
                            MacBook Air M1 (macOS Monterey 12.6.3)

                            This happens to me constantly while watching YouTube videos. I'll be watching a video and, after I've had the tab/window open for a while, it randomly reloads the page, resetting the video to the beginning.

                              This happens constantly for me on Version 0.99.123.3-beta (WebKit 615.1.16.1) so i dont think this is done.

                              I didnt have this issue before 0.99.123