s2e3440z This is part of a larger overhaul of the Find in Page functionality.
Better find on page
interesting discussion!
The searchbar was the first thing in Orion that had me confused: it's indeed too wide and too narrow, and for some reason, easy to miss on a big display - I was thinking: I pressed Cmd+F and now that I'm typing, is it actually happening? am I searching or not at all?"
My first expectation was to look for a textbox on the right of the screen - something pronounced/highlighted
Regarding the idea of an omni-omnibar I have no grievance, however as a user I'd like to be able to easily tell apart what is a search taking place in the page context, and what is in the browser (internet, other tabs etc).
Another thing I'd like is to be able to have a search on-going in specific page, and without losing my "search progress", be able to switch to another tab or open a new page. I believe that is also the main reason people so far have avoided unifying the searchbars and opted for separate inputboxes, floating boxes etc.
I like floating boxes aswell as the beforementioned split approach oup_oup_andaway
this way if you start editing the text in the url section, the "find" section gets hidden
F_Kal
Orion is using the built-in Find… function of macOS. That’s why it’s thin and long.
Another point to know. The Find… function of macOS is shared accross the system. Try it! Type in something in the Find bar. Then, switch to another browser. Hit ⌘F. You’ll see the thing you type in there!
khoanguyen0001 cross-app search? that sounds like an interesting macOS feature I might have missed. I haven't managed to replicate your test though - could you explain a bit in more the steps how to do it? I've tried typing something in orion's searchbar with cmd+F, but when I use cmd+F in finder, safari or apple photos, the textbox contents (and the look of the search bars are completely different)
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When using Cmd + F to find a term, Orion shows the total number of appearances, but it doesn't show the number of occurrence you are visiting at a moment.
This is a very important search functionality that other browsers have, and that I miss when using Orion. For me, it's important that Browser helps me navigate and understand big documents with possibly lots of occurrences of a search term.
Cmd + F (Search Term) ===> Current-Occurrence/Total-Occurrences somewhere visible.
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F_Kal Yeah, these apps implement their own search features because, as far as I know, the native macOS find function can only search for text. It’s that cool feature that Apple has totally forgot about. So, it’s not surprising that the majority of macOS users doesn’t know it.
Any native apps that only search for text is likely to use the native macOS function. Safari, Notes, Mail, and TextEdit are the ones that comes to my mind at the moment. Safari actually stylizes its search bar, funnily enough. So, the Orion team can actually stylize their search bar to akin to Safari if they want.
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For Orion team, this is how Safari stylizes its search bar:
The most annoying thing for me is that clicking anywhere on the page resets the highlighting
I am searching (cmd+f) for text on a page that does not exist.
Currently the only indicator that text does not exist is a small "0" on the right edge of the input, and the page is not dimmed. This is not a good indicator when you're trying to find something quickly and you don't notice that the page flashed, or you paste something in and it doesn't flash at all since it is never matching.
It would be helpful, if there was a more prominent indicator. There are several ways of going about this:
- Chrome's search input is smaller so the number of results is closer to the entered text, and the color of the counter is in black (Orion has it light gray)
- Safari's search input is also smaller, and displays "Not found" (although with a one second delay, so it's not the best)
- Firefox probably does it best, it has a visual indicator for no match (red border on search input), and it beeps the moment there is no match (it does not re-beep as long as there is still no match)
Examples from the four mentioned browsers (in Orion it is the least noticeable)
Orion:
Safari:
Chrome:
Firefox:
In my opinion, Firefox's implementation is the best, it has a clear visual and audible indicator.
P.S.: it would be nice if the search also displayed which result it is highlighting out of how many. All other 3 browsers mentioned already do this.
Is there any update on this? I've signed up on this forum just to suggest a new design for the find bar and got surprised to see that there's a 3 y/o thread with the same request. The lengthy design is so ugly...