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As of now, Apple has allowed for password managers to integrate with macOS' new AutoFill abilities.

Expected behavior:
It would be really cool if Orion could incorporate the new password AutoFill abilities so that passwords and other data can be easily filled in.

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  • Vlad replied to this.
    BravoZulu changed the title to Integrate with native password AutoFill .

      BravoZulu Orion already integrates with Password solutions like BitWarden. Do you mean something different?

          I assume this would also mean that (iCloud) keychain password generation and autofill would work? It’s the one issue preventing me from replacing Safari with Orion.

            breiti We have to check.

            Btw Orion can already import Safari's passwords File -> Import From.

                a month later

                Vlad

                New user of Orion. I imported everything, including passwords, from Safari. However, no passwords show up in Orion's password window. The cdv file created by Safari, which I selected from Orion for import, does contain all my passwords.

                Not sure what to do now.

                • Vlad replied to this.

                    tthkbw Try removing all but one password form that file, and try importing that. If it does not work, open an issue with that file (you can modify the password) so we can try to reproduce it.

                        2 months later

                        Vlad Just wanted to chime in my support for this feature request + anecdotes.

                        I use keepass for self-hosted password storage/syncing and on iOS I have Strongbox setup for autofilling natively instead of the iCloud keychain. Works wonderfully there.

                        On desktop however, I use a different keepass client app (KeeWeb) and its chrome extension for autofill since I use Brave and only Safari currently supports the native autofill on mac... After much effort though, i've not been able to get the extension to work with Orion.

                        This is really the last & biggest hurdle keeping me from moving over to Orion.

                        Put simply, in my case native autofill support would enable the benefits of:

                        1. (obviously) integrating with the native & more secure password system
                        2. being able to use Strongbox's native-first apps on both iOS and macOS
                        3. not running an, admittedly small, electron app (KeeWeb) on desktop at all times
                        4. not having to depend on a browser extension for autofill at all
                        5. having autofill password access system-wide not just on the web
                        6. making it instantly both practical and beneficial to switch to Orion full time

                        TL;DR
                        Adding native autofill support would, in web browsing contexts, be a silver bullet in my quest to optimize & streamline the overall desktop env + workflows following my recent upgrade to a new M1 macbook.

                            16 days later

                            nlydv A first look into this and it looks like those api's may be private. Is there any non-Apple app on macOS that can fill Strongbox passwords from native autofill?

                                I have been trying to get Orion to work with Strongbox and have had issues so far. I read a post here previously about Strongbox and it needing to be “aware” of Orion. I posted about this in the Strongbox subreddit and received a response from the developer that seems to indicate that Orion may need to do some work to integrate the macOS autofill API differently. This makes sense as it now uses the same one iOS does. Here is a link to the post.

                                There are similar issues here regarding integrating this API. I posted about this in Discord and am creating this issue to accompany the discussion.

                                2 months later
                                Merged 2 posts from Support native macOS & iOS Autofill API.

                                  Vlad Yes I actually just recently noticed that Nova, a mac-only code editor by Panic, natively hooks into the autofill system:

                                      17 days later

                                      Minimalist, a password manager designed exclusively for Mac and iPhone/iPad, leverages Apple’s AutoFill system. While I don't yet have access to the iOS/iPadOS Orion app (awaiting an invite), Orion on the Mac seemingly doesn't currently leverage AutoFill. This post from Minimalist's help articles speaks towards the benefits regarding security, privacy, and convenience of AutoFill.

                                      • Vlad replied to this.

                                        Do you have any idea how many other password managers leverage autofill on the desktop platform? I guess if there is a range of popular ones which do, this would make more sense. I must admit I wasn't aware of it on the desktop platform, as I have only ever seen it on i(Pad)OS since I don't use Safari on desktop.

                                          gp I'm not aware of the implementations utilized for other Mac password manager apps. I presume most are exclusively utilizing their own extensions, from which there's privacy and convenience arguments to be had.

                                          Additionally, with adoption of AutoFill, I don't believe its use would be limited to password manager apps.

                                              5 days later

                                              JRML1124

                                              Autofill API exists only on iOS/iPadOS. AFAIK, the only way to use it on Mac is through SwiftUI which ports the same iOS API over, but very few apps use SwiftUI on Mac because of extreme limitations (Orion and Safari do not use it).

                                              I am not sure what does work in Safari and how, would appreciate more information on this.