Profile support on iOS and iPadOS?

idontcareaboutcookies

Not aware of any other mobile browser which supports profiles but with Focus Modes the Profiles UI for Orion on iOS should be the least of concerns, as you could additionally support the focus filter feature to switch profiles automatically. TBH that would be desirable on macOS too, instead of relying on multiple orion.app instances (I know some people like it that way so yeah another knob to add to settings and I’m stealing this thread for another feature for another platform 😂).

junukwon7

Vlad Edge supports multi-profile! - although the second/third account should be a work account...

Vlad

junukwon7 Be kind to show screenshots of profile support on mobile

junukwon7

Vlad Sure.
Edge's multi profile supports more than two work/school accounts with a single personal account.
The user can easily press and switch the profile without heading to preferences, and all bookmarks & histories are stored separately.

Vlad

junukwon7 can you show a video to illustrate it in action? What is exactly synced to desktop?

junukwon7

Vlad

The profile works as same as Chromium / Orion profiles.
They have independent history, bookmarks, etc. However, they don't sync sessions, cookies, ...

I summarized how both browsers work & integrates with accounts.

Orion Desktop
Multiple accounts - NO (single iCloud for syncing)
Multiple profiles - YES (multiple profile per account)
Multiple synced profiles - NO, but YES? (currently, only 'default' is synced)
https://orionfeedback.org/d/3614-profile-sync-across-machines/6

Orion Mobile
Multiple accounts - NO
Multiple profiles - NO
Multiple synced accounts - NO

Edge Desktop
Multiple accounts - YES (one personal + more work/school MS account)
Multiple profiles - YES (one profile per MS account, local profiles are supported)
Multiple synced accounts - YES

Edge Mobile
Multiple accounts - YES (same as above)
Multiple profiles - YES (same as above, local profiles not supported)
Multiple synced accounts - YES

While Orion has tons of great features (and some of them unheard of from other browsers), the user experience differs a lot from desktop to mobile. I think adding profiles to Orion mobile would be great in terms of continuity.

However, implementing profiles to Orion mobile might be worthless unless multiple profiles being synced. In my use-case, I manage four profiles - one for personal, one for school, and two for work. And I want all three being synced via icloud, like Edge does. Currently, I'm using Orion, Chrome and two Edge profiles at the same time, since Orion's non-default profiles are not synced between devices.

and thanks @Vlad for making a nice browser

Possible UI implementations from Edge:

iOS recording
Edge desktop capture

eirk

could u clarify difference between accounts, synced accounts, and profiles, synced profiles?

junukwon7

eirk
Sure.

Accounts - emails. Since Edge and Chrome are from MS and Google, they have their own email address. Although Orion doesn't have one, it uses iCloud to sync. Hence, Orion's account is the iCloud account.
Profiles - a profile is a repository (or an encapsulated form) for a user's browser. It usually contains history, bookmarks, autofills. It may also have preferences, open tabs, and even cookies (not recommended). Chrome and Edge's implementation of profile is simple - multiple profile, and each profile can be synced using a account.
Synced Profiles - the data are synced as they are on Orion's default profile.

Orion should sync multiple profiles first, as @Vlad planned.
https://orionfeedback.org/d/3614-profile-sync-across-machines/6

Implementing multi-profile for Orion mobile would be worthless useless without it.

Edge:

- Edge PC
  - Profile 1: local (no account, thus no sync)
    - DATA 1
  - Profile 2: aaa@gmail.com
    - DATA 2 (bi-directional sync)
  - Profile 3: bbb@companygsuite.co
    - DATA 3 (bi-directional sync)
- Edge Mobile
  - Profile 1: aaa@gmail.com 
    - DATA 2 (bi-directional sync)
  - Profile 2: bbb@companygsuite.co
    - DATA 3 (bi-directional sync)

Safari:

- Safari Desktop
  - User: aaa@icloud.com
    - DATA (bi-directional sync)
- Safari Mobile
  - User: aaa@iclud.com
    - DATA (bi-directional sync)

Orion:

- Orion on PC 1
  - User (aaa@icloud.com)
    - Profile 1: aaa@icloud.com
      - DATA 1 (bi-directional sync)
    - Profile 2: local (cannot sync)
      - DATA 2
    - Profile 3: local
      - DATA 3
- Orion Mobile
  - User (aaa@icloud.com)
    - Profile 1: aaa@icloud.com
      - DATA 1 (bi-directional sync)

Toontje

Vlad You don't want to build something unique?

Vlad

Toontje My wishes have nothing to do with this. We have 2,000 open issues here, many of them 'unique' and a team of two developers. Rather, consider supporting the project financially as the lack of resources is the real issue here.

TheRealN

It would be nice to have separate profiles like the desktop version in the iOS/iPadOS version of Orion.

I don’t believe any (mainstream) browser on iOS already does this, but one way I have been getting around this so far is by using regular browsing to go on personal accounts and private browsing to go on other accounts, and this works simultaneously as private browsing is containered off, though it is not perfect.

It would be nice to be able to extend this workflow through the use of profiles, and even better if mobile profiles could sync with my existing desktop profiles.

I’m curious as to how the Home Screen implementation might work. I wouldn’t mind if the profiles are only accessible from within one app (so that there is only one app on the Home Screen), but maybe others prefer having shortcuts on the Home Screen for each profile.

Thanks for viewing my suggestion!

ForumNinja404

I can make a mockup later this week.

ForumNinja404

As promised, I made a mockup. It may take a while to load because it’s interactive! You may notice some options are unavailable, I assumed mobile profiles are limited to a subset of features. This can obviously be expanded upon later.

The idea is to access profiles from the same menu where tab groups are currently located.

Interactive Mockup

ForumNinja404

There is a picture of Safari’s upcoming implementation here: apple

ItsPixL27

Add PROFILES

Description
Profiles, as are present in almost all browsers, are a way of separating between workspaces for different uses such as personal and work/school. They are almost like a fresh new installation of the browser for each profile, having separate bookmarks, history, cookies, cache, extensions, passwords, etc.

Details:
Nearly every browser has this feature. Chrome, Brave (my personal alternative), Opera and more have this feature. Even Safari, developed on WebKit, will have profiles from the next macOS update. Profiles would allow for Orion to be used for more than just one workspace easily. Currently, I use Brave and my browser for school and Orion for my personal, but I would love to move entirely to Orion on my mac.

Image/Video:

An image of profile switching on Brave.

An image of Apple's Announcement of Safari Profiles [https://www.apple.com/macos/sonoma-preview/]

Thanks
Anyways, thank you guys so much for creating such an amazing browser. I really hope development continues strong and I also wish for a Windows version of Orion to launch soon as I want it on my Windows 11 Laptop.

Jimothy

@ItsPixL27 you might be interested in this: https://help.kagi.com/orion/features/profiles.html?highlight=profiles#profiles

ItsPixL27

Thank you so much Jimothy ! I had been looking to see if there was a profile section but I couldn't find it.

ItsPixL27

Wait, @Jimothy, are there profiles on the iOS app or not?

Jimothy

ItsPixL27 Now that's a good question. I don't know. Your screen grabs seemed to suggest you were interested in desktop only. I can't immediately see a profiles feature in iOS. Perhaps someone else can answer this?

eirk

ItsPixL27 no, no profile support for ios/ipados rn

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