Orion for Linux
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One feature I hope to see, is the option to move the window decorations to the left like on proper macos as its how I use kde linux today. I would also pay extra to get global menu support like you have on macos since GTK 4 and 5 don't really support it. As its an accessibility plus for when you have limited mobility or are blind an need a screen reader to work.
*Edit - I don't know if its possible, to just use non KDE QT and have webkit work? As linux needs real webkit and to a lesser extent windows.
If anything using gtk3 and not 4 or libadwaita we would be able to theme it to fit our desktops or at least all i really need is a breeze theme that takes my systems colors. I don't like gtks implementation of client side decorations personally but, would make a exception here or it could be like firefox an give you the option.
I would also be up for a kickstarter or any of the other funding sites. Maybe stretch goals for the things I've listed or others. Even if not ready day one launch.
I use Orion on iOS an love it and can't wait to take it for a spin on linux since i use that most of the time. but if it is libadwaita or blink I will pass on it. But I would be more then happy to still support the project like I do with kagi.
Is it possible to get a picture of a mock up of ow they both might look.
Hello, came here after seeing the post on OMG! Ubuntu! I would prefer Gnome/WebKit. I personally use Linux full time as my daily driver. Use Chrome but I know Webkit has advantages.
Regarding the open source aspect, I could be on the minority but I personally dont mind paying for software that is Linux compatible, Heck, Steam and the games arent open source.
Looking forward to it, would pay for the life tiime license once releases.
Even though I’m a KDE user and dislike GNOME, I think this should be WebKit based. If that means GTK, so be it. If anything, I’d push to avoid libadwaita because it doesn’t play well with other DEs. That said, no matter what is picked, I'm looking forward to testing this!
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Dev update: We have decided the direction to be Webkit GTK with libadwaita for the most native look possible.
Yeah, native GTK would be better. Ghostty (a terminal emulator) recently hit version 1 and within weeks, had moved away from Libadwaita due to it looking terrible on anything other than Gnome.
hawdini Yep, libadwaita only looks good on Gnome it looks bad on just about everything else and there are a ton of users not using Gnome and many of those will not use apps that have libadwaita. This is limiting the potential reach of Orion on Linux. Native GTK will look decent on all desktop environments and window managers.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the majority of GTK3 and GTK4-powered distributions now support Libadwaita and, thus, the vast majority of Linux desktop users are covered adequately?
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Dustin That is not a vast majority of Linux desktop users anymore. KDE has made a big comeback since SteamOS. It is the most common desktop on Arch, it has recently been brought to the same level on Fedora due to popularity, and has long been a popular choice on others. The packages we maintain show this with the versions that are pulled. GTK may still be a higher percentage, but it is not a good idea for a very sizable group. To top it off it still does not look native on GTK2/3, just better than it did.
Huge fan of Libadwaita. It is a good start. Doesn’t Brave support GTK and Lib on Linux? Brave looks pretty in-place on Fedora using either theme option.
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Hey, just signed up for the lifetime plan, very excited for Orion for Linux! I’ve got an iPhone so I’m enjoying Orion so far on here too.
My vote is for libadwaita, but given the COSMIC is on the horizon, it might be better to go pure GTK.
I have noticed that COSMIC seems to have some kind of magic under the hood that makes GTK, Qt, and native COSMIC/Rust apps blend in better than in every other desktop environment I’ve tried. Might be worth looking into what they’re doing, since I think a large portion of the GNOME user base will be open to switching to COSMIC when it’s done!
Keep up the good work!
Edit: I also think it would be wise to make an Orion- of sorts, where you strip out the proprietary code that you’ve made allowing ff/chrome extensions. That could be fully open source and would allow the browser to be in repos and maybe even the default browser in the medium term. People are ready to ditch FF.
Then, there could be a very tasteful message when someone tries to add an extension letting them know they need the proprietary version. Maybe this could be a module that can just be downloaded, or maybe you need to have a separate repo and instructions how to add it for the most popular distros. In any case, this presents Orion as a FOSS friendly browser, doesn’t have paywalls or anything that would put off Linux/FOSS evangelists. Just one tasteful hint how to get the full version, and from there people can move on to Orion+ if they want search and the other perks.
I think that’s the most linux friendly approach.
Very interested to see where it's coming ! Libadwaita or not (I'm a bit biaised for libadwaita as I'm a GNOME user, but in all case if there is cooperation between different player in the space everybody will win !), a new WebkitGTK browser is interesting, the landscape was a bit barren since Midori became a Firefox fork (there was Ouch, an Arc Browser clone, but it doesn't seem very active anymore)
hawdini Looks like it's the opposite for Ghostty, the devs seem to be removing the possibility to buid it without libadwaita : https://ghostty.org/docs/install/release-notes/1-1-0#gtk:-forcing-a-dependency-on-libadwaita (but they have now a SSD setting that replace that for other desktop)