Combine Orion+ and Kagi Billing

patrick

Brief Summary
Right now I have a seperate account / flow for Orion+ and for Kagi. Since it's just one company you should just offer something like Kagi Professional+ (or name it something better) which is just $15 a month for Orion+ and Kagi Professional.

Details
I'm not trying to pay less, the whole reason I'm paying is to fund the development and paying less kind of cuts against my goal. This is where a single subscription would help, because it would give you more of my money and Stripe less.

I'm just looking for something like Apple One or Office 365. A single subscription that includes all the stuff.

Other
Sorry if this isn't the right forum, I couldn't find a better one. Also it's pretty minor, but something maybe to have in mind for the next time you're thinking about doing something to your payment flow.

Vlad

patrick

We have unified the billing a few months ago, and you should be able to manage all your billing from just your Kagi account, Billing page.

If by unifying billing you mean one plan for both products, it is somewhat logistically hard, as people may want to cancel Orion+ and not Kagi (or vice versa) and one plan makes it hard. So this is why we separated the twq.

In the future we plan to have the "Kagi Bundle" which will include Kagi, Orion but also our other applicable products.

patrick

That bundle is just what I had in mind! Great to hear you've already got it on your road map 😊

gabeidx

Now with Kagi Translate, I think this will come up as feedback more and more.

Ideally, Kagi would follow Apple's playbook and offer a single bundle subscription for all products OR individual subscriptions for each.

Vlad

gabeidx I agree but how do we structure it?

Kagi Bundle - $30/mo
Kagi Ultimate + Orion+ + other Kagi Tools

what if someone wants Kagi starter + Orion+ - then this would have to be $10.

And suddenly we have multiple "bundle" plans etc.

Any thoughts from a user perspective?

ltg

I love how the Kagi Ultimate tier includes access to LLMs from multiple vendors and the excellent Kagi search results.

Adding Orion+ as part of the package would make it truly the “ultimate” subscription!

bs10081

I believe Orion+ might be a donation rather than a service.

laiz

bs10081
Orion+ is very much a service with its distinct benefits, and the only source of revenue for the browser.
https://help.kagi.com/orion/orion-plus/orion-plus.html

marcel001122

The benefits being beta testing? The way Onion+ is pitched now is that it’s a donation to beta test and feel like you are supporting a good cause and making it happen. Nothing tangible for the money.

Adding to Kagi Ultimate doesn’t add value to the bundle at all.

laiz

marcel001122
You'd be paying for a browser that has the users' best interest as its number one priority. The web browser is the most important tool for most of us, yet we expect it to be free, which is simply unsustainable. I'd say this makes Orion's benefits quite tangible. I understand not everyone sees it like this as there are alternatives that are available for no monetary cost.

marcel001122 Adding to Kagi Ultimate doesn’t add value to the bundle at all.

It has been communicated by Vlad on multiple occasions that it would instead be a separate "Kagi bundle" as people who are subscribing to Kagi ultimate on non-apple platform would feel like they are paying extra for something they cannot use.

marcel001122

laiz I get your point but at the same time tangible benefits would come in when we can go beyond “run a proxy, see no ping to home” as our measure of how private the browser is. For example, it should forensically be no trace browser to be worth the tag, not simply because it makes it easy for me to use Kagi as default search. Right now a couple of threads show our history database still has traces of searched pages when exclusively set the browser as “do not store history”. This can be a concern if we push Orion+ as a value proposition - things can get worse in beta and right now beta testing is the paid advantage for Orion+, nothing else.

DeeKahy

i agree with gabeidx that ideally, Kagi would offer a single bundle subscription for all products AND individual subscriptions for each.

I personally think the "ultimate" plan should be the ultimate kagi plan. If the margins allow it, it should just include all the things (mail, translate, the ai stuff, and orion), it should in theory not be the same price as everything combined because not everyone will use every feature. There is also the point that in the case of Orion a recurring subscription is more valuable to kagi than a one time payment.

orionhelp

Please consider bundling Orion+ and Kagi's Search feature together!

I think you'll greatly increase the value and draw by combining these products together as a package and thereby get more $!

Ryxu8

This is also mentioned in another post: https://orionfeedback.org/d/5417-combine-orion-and-kagi-billing